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Community Weapons: Part 2

The addition of new content has obviously been a major factor in keeping Team Fortress 2 fresh. This article aims to analyze the balance of four other non-standard weapons: the Gunboats, the Dalokohs Bar, the Homewrecker, and the Pain Train.

The Gunboats

The Gunboats, a replacement for the Soldier's secondary slot, reduce the amount of damage taken when rocket jumping.

Why use this weapon? Rocket-jumping is a major tool in a Soldier's arsenal. Getting above the enemy is crucial, especially against faster targets such as Scouts. Oftentimes the ground is the only nearby surface to shoot rockets onto, unless you aim for a direct hit.

Rocket-jumping normally deals in the neighborhood of 30-50 damage, depending on the type of jump you're attempting. However, the Gunboats reduce damage by 75%. This means that you'll be doing, at the most, about 12 damage to yourself when rocket-jumping.

It occupies a passive slot, meaning that you can't switch to it. It's a lost weapon slot. You now have your rockets and your Equalizer (you are using the Equalizer, aren't you?). Kind of limiting, especially when everything runs out of ammo. Your biggest opponents will be enemies you can't hit with the rockets reliably - the aforementioned Scouts. The advantage you have with Gunboats? You can jump above them without suffering too much damage and pound them from midair.

But is it really worth all that? Is the lack of a hitscan weapon too much to bear for the Soldier? Shotgun blasts are for more than Scouts, after all - basically anytime you run out of rockets and the enemy is closing, a good Soldier switches to the Shotgun and tries to get a couple meatshots off. With the Gunboats equipped, all you can do is reload and pray.

So, while the Gunboats are a blast to play around with, they simply remove too much damage output from the Soldier's arsenal. Not balanced for competitive play.

[Further comments on this topic have revealed a major benefit when rolling with the Gunboats: the ability to push to mid faster on 5-CP maps. It also makes pushes that much faster since health is less of a problem.  However, the meat of the article still stands, though the Gunboats are indeed better than I had originally reckoned.]

The Dalokohs Bar

The Dalokohs Bar (pronounced da-LOCK-uss) is a weapon occupying the Heavy's secondary slot. It is an edible device similar to the Sandvich, but only heals for 60 HP. However, it provides a new total health of 350 for the Heavy instead of the default 300, a semi-permanent overheal lasting 30 seconds.

Why use this weapon? It's like a Sandvich, only worse, right? 60 health? Why, I could eat that four times and still not be at full health!

But wait.

You can directly overheal yourself! You, as a Heavy, the class with the most HP in the game, now have even more. Why not use it?

There are a few catches, though. For one: the "only 60 health" thing. If you were at less than 60 health, you'd have to eat one five times to bring yourself back to health. Given that the eating time is roughly 4.5 seconds, that's an entire 22.5 seconds. Now by this time you'd probably get healed by a Medic or find a resupply cabinet or a health pack, but that's not the point. There's no instant gratification. You can't even help the Medic that's healing you in a tight spot, since you can't drop the Dalokohs Bar! Your self-centered ass can't even heal yourself quickly in a fight because of this!

Now don't get me wrong, the Dalokohs Bar isn't all bad. Running Heavy isn't something teams do most of the time, so the extra 50 health can't hurt. But when the Medic does catch up to you, he can't overheal you past 450... in which case the Dalokohs was useless in the first place.

Verdict? Perfectly fine for pub play, where Medics are scarce. But in the competitive scene, where the Heavy is usually the focus of the action whenever he's used, the Dalokohs Bar is not at all useful.

The Homewrecker

A replacement for the Pyro's melee slot, the Homewrecker deals massive damage to an enemy Engineer's buildings and can remove enemy Sappers from friendly buildings in one hit. However, it deals 3/4 damage to players.

Why use this weapon? You mean besides the fact that it looks badass?

Well, the Pyro is perhaps the least-used class in competitive TF2. But that doesn't stop me from analyzing it!

The Homewrecker is focused on Engineers. It can defend the fort from enemy Spies that happen to dispatch the Engineer, as well as destroy any full-health Engineer building in two hits. But Spies don't come a-calling very often in comp TF2, and Spies in combination with Engineers happen even less, in my experience.

The extra damage function for this weapon essentially relies on a Medic's Ubercharge to take out a Sentry gun if need be... but why not uber a Demoman and save the trouble? And enemy sappers are generally the last of your worries when a friendly Engineer is holding down the fifth point.

This weapon is useless in competitive play. It doesn't see too much play in pub games, either. It's just a dud.

The Pain Train

The Pain Train is a replacement for the melee slot of the Soldier and the Demoman. It makes the user capture points as two people, but the user takes an additional 10% damage from any bullet-firing weapon.

Why use this weapon? It makes Soldiers and Demomen act as Scouts when capturing a point. Useful, right?

But that's not the only factor of the weapon. The added damage from any non-exploding weapon means that any enemy Scouts that come barreling onto middle at the same time as the Demo or the roaming Soldier will be able to do that much more damage.

It sure comes in handy during backcaps, though. A stickyjump onto last or a roaming Soldier being sneaky can grab points twice as quickly now. And because of the very nature of the sneaky backcap tactic, they're not in any danger.

This weapon is the biggest toss-up on the list. On capture maps, it's only a benefit unless you die. And if you die faster than usual, failing to take out a target that would normally be dead, well, that's a big grey area. Certainly it's of most importance to the Demo, who doesn't have a super-melee like the Equalizer to save him.

This weapon, at least in my somewhat limited views, is balanced for competitive play.

Conclusions

Perhaps the biggest shake-up to the default loadouts of the competitive classes is the Pain Train. The Gunboats, while fun, aren't useful enough, and the Homewrecker and Dalokohs Bar border on useless for the competitive scene.

Last Updated ( Friday, 25 June 2010 12:30 )  

Comments  

 
#10 Sigma 2010-06-26 05:07 #9 — I watched the tgbf cast of the main finals after I made that post, and Schetter was kind enough to watch his run to mid, which, indeed, landed at 9:45. Adding in the jump from top of stairs to dropdown and the wall jump through valley seems to do it.

Great play if the enemy demo isn't making it by 9:44 — he wouldn't see you at all.
 
 
#9 Kalkin 2010-06-25 20:07 #6 sigma while i dont know whether or not #3 is lying or not, i can confirm that it is possible, catastrophe my friend from exult has a set of jumps for badlands that can land him at mid around 9:45-9:46 if done perfectly with about 100 health, you should ask him for a demo.
 
 
#8 mutated 2010-06-25 07:24 Arthur: You assume that the other team is slow as well. Assuming a bit, say that the speeds of both teams' demos is the same. In that case you've got a Soldier and maaaaybe a Scout, but the other Scouts will turn up very quickly.

FlamingPeasant: That's exactly the problem with them. Straight-up fights, especially if the soldier is caught off guard at all, ruin him.

Sigma and Jaeger: you've made excellent points. A tip of the hat.

I've gone ahead and added a section to the article, as well as cleared up the double cap speed on the Pain Train.
 
 
+1 #7 Jaeger 2010-06-25 06:11 These gunboats arguments miss the important reasons to use gunboats.. although sigma captures much of it. People make too much out of getting to mid quickly with gunboats. That said, gunboats are well balanced with the shotgun.

Pain train is one of those weird weapons that is great at lower levels of play and bad at high level. Basically it comes down to whether the enemy scouts miss or not.
 
 
+2 #6 Sigma 2010-06-25 05:31 The gunboats fit in the fast-paced style of leading pushes with the demo and keeping the pocket buffed to back him up on DM or put jumps on the combo. The gunboat soldier takes so few heals — not only because he doesn't need them to rocket jump, but also because he avoids damage from enemies as a result of his jumps + can more easily take health packs.

The shotty is a good finisher, but as long as your gunboat soldier works in conjunction with your scouts, he doesn't need it. Jumping and putting 1 rocket on an enemy makes him go down fast to scatterguns. Add in the fact that that soldier can disengage at any time by just reloading 1 shot and jumping away (rather than being stuck fighting scouts with the inferior solly shotgun), and you have yourself a solid item.

I'm not saying the gunboats are straight-up better than the shotty, but they definitely have their uses… being able to push 4s earlier from not needing to heal the off soldier makes a big difference (creating a health advantage without doing anything, similar to how you cycle players for crit heals or use a sandvich heavy).

Also — the pain train doesn't double your cap speed. 2x is something like 140-160% speed (idr the exact number) due to diminishing returns from more players on the cap.

#3 — can you really make it to blands mid at 9:47 with the gunboats? I remember trying again and again when they first came out, and the best time I could land on the enemy train was 9:42 (though that still hits a nice timing where the demo will be exposed and the scouts are just getting there).
 
 
#5 FlamingPeasant 2010-06-25 01:33 Gunboats definitely have a place. I don't play comp but I watch a fair amount. The roamer for Exultance in the CEVO Main final was putting them to good use. He did exactly what Arthur talks about. Was sitting on the opposing train watching them roll out of the house completely oblivious to him. He picked the medic easily.

Gunboats plus PainTrain seem like they would have potential for a sneaky Solly, though he wouldn't be great in a stand up fight.
 
 
#4 G-Mang 2010-06-24 23:26 Yeah, gunboats are an incredibly good loadout for roaming soldiers at the mid fight.
 
 
#3 Arthur 2010-06-24 22:42 I'm a div6 solly, and I can get to mid on badlands 2 seconds before the fastest div1 demos taking the normal rollout. Take that running a fan scout, who will be only jusy behind me, and a fast demo. You can have a demo and scout on mid, and a solly on enemy train before the demo is out of house. You can't tell me that is worth nothing.

How ever, while I agree that the homewrecker and dakota bar are useless in comp, I still think they should be allowed. I mean… What if someone uses one of them by mistake, because he was pubbing with them earlier, and it makes the mach void?
 
 
#2 oblivion 2010-06-24 21:15 ya the gunboat section should have been given a lot more thought.
 
 
+2 #1 RoboticRefrigeration 2010-06-24 20:24 I really dont like how you ignore the influence of the g-boats on mid rollouts or on maps like yukon. You also give very little reasons for not using the boats aside from a disadvantage to scouts.
 

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