Discuss Blog: Parent Talk http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:10:16 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.3 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-291 point is if you are doing anything solely "to support and grow tf2" u r taking it too seriously just do what's fun. For me ESEA matches are fun enough to warrant the cost - if it helps grow tf2 that's a bonus. But if you'd have more fun in twl or ugc or sta or whatever the f its silly to suggest someone should spend money so that TF2 CAN BECOME A SPORT ukm Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:21:37 +0100 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-288 You don't play sports for fun? eXtine Tue, 26 Jan 2010 11:50:48 +0100 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-285 TF2 is not a sport and never will be, play to have some fun w/ video games or getthafuggouttahere ukm Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:55:43 +0100 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-283 "unconvinced that it's worth money, won't give any money towards things like funding a server or letting you play in ESEA." And that is why we must convince them. eXtine Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:51:42 +0100 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-282 As much as I agree with most of your post it's a little naive to suggest that just asking will have your parents loosen up their pockets. While it's true that there's probably plenty of parents out there willing to front things like league fees it's also true that there are parents out there that, unconvinced that it's worth money, won't give any money towards things like funding a server or letting you play in ESEA. Panda Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:02:35 +0100 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-277 Great article. This is very true, but I don't think it's a perception that is widely held outside the gaming community. More needs to be done to bring gaming up to true sport status in the wider world. Otherwise, when little Timmy asks for $5 to play in ESEA, grandma is gonna tell him to shut the fuck up and play football like a man. Ben Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:07:00 +0100 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-273 Great comment Fish, thank you. This post doesn't dwell into the deeper topic of how well ESEA is doing in terms of providing services. Certainly they could adjust their system to more accordingly fit the needs of teams, providing everything a team needs instead of the team having to pay outside services for it on top of their league fee. Fish's comment does help illustrate that this is already an expensive hobby. It is understandable that some people on a tight budget don't feel like they need to pay for ESEA. That's why TWL is a great assett to our community. We need to be willing to pay to support leagues and the top leagues should be pay to play, but if you can't afford it, there is TWL and their volunteer system. eXtine Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:04:17 +0100 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-272 As a 12-year-old boy (or something like that) put into situations like this, I have to say that it's not always that easy. Despite being quite well off, my parents are already supporting my hobbies in major ways (computer upgrades, MAJOR band fees, paying for at one point $240/month for various music lessons), and the $23 (not $5 as you'd like to make it seem) is just an extra, "Why?" that would be very difficult to argue for. Now, I'm pretty much a parent's dream behavior-wise, except for my tendency to stay up late on weekends. I get good grades, I get good test scores, I help out around the house, I hit curfew, and I don't talk back. My relationship with my parents is quite good, and if I were to ask to pay for the league, they would let me use their credit card, given that I would pay them back. However, my parents won't let me get a job during the school year because of the timesink, and I couldn't find one during the summer, even after applying for ~25. I do want to go back to the issue of cost versus benefit. Personally, I got the Orange Box for $37.50, and I've gotten over 1200 hours from TF2 alone. For $23, ESEA is offering a league (normally free, and arguably better in other places, though that's a different discussion), with pugs (normally free, and better in other places), and with a good website with stats (not available in other places). Now I don't want to brush off the stats or website, because I really do enjoy both of those, but those are hardly worth dropping money on. You could argue for the client, but the amount of cheaters found by the client versus by outside means are negligible at best, whereas even one reschedule because of client issues is extremely frustrating. Now, why am I in ESEA? I like supporting the game, but more importantly, Crack Clan has been a great sponsor. However, instead of having them provide a TF2 server, a VOIP server, and league fees, ESEA could implement a scrim system and the cost of a TF2 server disappears. Voila, you've made the $18 for Premium suddenly a good deal, you've contributed to the success of Competitive TF2 financially, and you've made ESEA actually want to consider supporting TF2 more. I'm not saying it's some sort of amazing, magical way of bringing all TF2 problems down, but it would make a lot more teams join up. Fish #641 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:32:39 +0100 http://communityfortress.com/tf2/blog/blog-parent-talk.php#comment-271 i agree 100% with your article wanderrful Mon, 25 Jan 2010 14:01:45 +0100